Comments on: Clippers vs Jazz Game Thread: Closing the First Half of the Season https://213hoops.com/clippers-vs-jazz-game-thread-closing-the-first-half-of-the-season/ L.A. Clippers News and Analysis Mon, 17 Feb 2025 14:20:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.3.19 By: Sweet Lou https://213hoops.com/clippers-vs-jazz-game-thread-closing-the-first-half-of-the-season/#comment-62051 Mon, 17 Feb 2025 14:20:46 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=20975#comment-62051 PG is playing a little hurt. Feeling the decline but most importantly
he’s severely injured the desire muscle to play at Philly once he got the bag. He’s way more interested in Podcast P at this point. SO happy we moved off from him and that he’s someone’s else problem.

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By: Lucas Hann https://213hoops.com/clippers-vs-jazz-game-thread-closing-the-first-half-of-the-season/#comment-62050 Mon, 17 Feb 2025 00:18:35 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=20975#comment-62050 To be fair, Ben had a great Clipper debut–but his TOV/100possessions rate in his half-season with Brooklyn this year is actually slightly higher than Russ’ TOV/100possessions rate across 1.5 years with the Clippers.

I don’t think it’s an outrageous comparison in terms of what each player provides as a second unit on-ball hub while being limited as a complementary player in stronger lineups with stars/starters. The big difference is in approach: Russ is a score-first mindset guy who finds a lot of assists because he draws defenders going downhill. Ben is a more pure pass-first player with better vision and passing accuracy, but weaker driving/scoring chops. Comparing Russ’ 1.5 Clipper seasons with Ben’s 35 games in Brooklyn this year: Russ took 21.1 FGA/100 and had 10.1 assists/100, Ben took 10.3 FGA/100 and had 13.9 assists/100. Russ also had over 3x the FTA/100poss. That’s a shooting/passing tradeoff I’ll take, considering how badly Russ struggled with efficiency on that high volume of shot attempts. The other big difference is of course the size–while Russ was absolutely a high-impact on-ball defender as a Clipper, Ben has more positional versatility defensively and is going to be better off-ball than Russ was, which is potentially a great fit on a team that now has Dunn and DJJ.

I also think something relevant in this Russ-Ben comparison is where it can go wrong. The biggest downside of Russ’ time with the Clippers wasn’t the flaws with his individual play, which we all know were egregious at times but never absurdly so for a backup on a cheap deal. Rather, it was how big his role became, where his skill profile (good on ball, bad off ball) and minutes load led to way too many possessions being built around a player who wasn’t efficient enough with them. We have yet to see how Ben meshes in lineups with James and/or Zu. I feel pretty comfortable saying that Ben in a 12-16 minute role has a skillset this team needs for when James is resting. While I think it was obviously the right move vs Utah–Ben was playing amazingly, and Zu had an awful game, so Ty rode the hot hand–if we find ourselves in patterns where Ben is bringing in more mixed results and taking up too many possessions/lineups/minutes, it could bite us.

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By: mlslaw1 https://213hoops.com/clippers-vs-jazz-game-thread-closing-the-first-half-of-the-season/#comment-62049 Sun, 16 Feb 2025 19:37:43 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=20975#comment-62049 Russ’ game just turned me off in a big way. TOs, TOs, TOs. Even a 6’10” Russ would have been flawed. He just could not modulate his motor. Ben is everything Russ wasn’t. But I’m coming back down to earth a lil bit on Ben. Inevitably we’ll see some flaws and then the talons will come out. But you just couldn’t ask for a better opening act. Extremely hopeful for him and the team.

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By: John Maclean https://213hoops.com/clippers-vs-jazz-game-thread-closing-the-first-half-of-the-season/#comment-62048 Sun, 16 Feb 2025 09:28:19 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=20975#comment-62048 Dissing him? I was pointing how much better he is despite neither being reliable shooters. Many people liked Russ because of the energy he brought and I was trying to convey that Ben also gives us that boost with better length, better IQ and fewer turnovers. Sorry if that was misunderstood or didn’t translate. I don’t think I can be any clearer than calling him the most impactful buyout pickup in history.

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By: JCplusULTRA https://213hoops.com/clippers-vs-jazz-game-thread-closing-the-first-half-of-the-season/#comment-62047 Sun, 16 Feb 2025 06:55:29 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=20975#comment-62047 I actually highly doubt either of them will be cut. Patty is basically an assistant coach for Ben Simmons. MarJon is arguably equal with Jordan and younger.

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By: mlslaw1 https://213hoops.com/clippers-vs-jazz-game-thread-closing-the-first-half-of-the-season/#comment-62046 Sat, 15 Feb 2025 16:18:16 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=20975#comment-62046 You’re severely dissing Ben with the Russ comparison. Russ is reckless where Ben is cold and calculating; Russ blows layups where Ben converts; Russ throws sonic speed passes that no human can catch while Ben’s are on the money and with just the right speed; Russ plays checkers while Ben plays chess.

I wanna see more of this team.

The only ?s in my mind for this team going forward

  1. Will Kawhi’s health hold up
  2. Will Bogi start draining 3s (bet he’s shooting right now)
  3. Will Ty’s coaching fail us

The club O in me says yes to 1 and 2 and hope not to 3

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By: Dave Rosa https://213hoops.com/clippers-vs-jazz-game-thread-closing-the-first-half-of-the-season/#comment-62045 Sat, 15 Feb 2025 12:27:21 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=20975#comment-62045 There had been 2 Clipper teams. The Harden-Kawhi team and the PG-Russ team. It was like hockey shifts. Fortunately, the FO got rid of both without much ego bruising.

I feel the Fo played PG perfectly. Offer him the same as Kawhi which was a tradeable contract. But PG’s ego and amplified opinion of himself had him walking.

I’m satisfied that PG got his cash and I’m happy that he is Philadelphia’s problem now.

The Clippers now have enough shooting and scoring to go along with their stellar defense.

I like this team even more than I did which is saying something.

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By: chogokin https://213hoops.com/clippers-vs-jazz-game-thread-closing-the-first-half-of-the-season/#comment-62044 Sat, 15 Feb 2025 04:12:46 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=20975#comment-62044 Yea I’m hoping Ty riding Ben (and Harden for that matter) past normal limits was just a product of extreme circumstances as opposed to his ideal vision for this team.

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By: chogokin https://213hoops.com/clippers-vs-jazz-game-thread-closing-the-first-half-of-the-season/#comment-62043 Sat, 15 Feb 2025 04:11:15 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=20975#comment-62043 As a fellow whiner, I am also quite happy w/ the FO’s work this season. I know it’s a bummer that we aren’t at like OKC/Boston/Cleveland level, after years of those types of expectations, but the FO is doing the best they possibly can in the aftermath of Kawhi’s demand to trade for George.

That being said, the FO absolutely *did not* know George was this washed – I don’t think even his biggest haters could’ve predicted *this* level of washedness. Hell, the FO actually offered George Kawhi’s deal, but he got greedy and demanded a no-trade-clause and/or more money on top of that. If anything, the FO (and all of us) got lucky that he got so full of himself and that Daryl Morey was dumb enough to give him what he wanted. Good fucking riddance. This season’s Sixers have been an amazing hate watch for me (I do feel bad for Maxey though). This may be harsh because his departure is still fresh, but for me, George is right there w/ Andre Miller for former Clippers who I dislike the most.

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By: John Maclean https://213hoops.com/clippers-vs-jazz-game-thread-closing-the-first-half-of-the-season/#comment-62042 Sat, 15 Feb 2025 03:55:39 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=20975#comment-62042 None of us can predict how the rest of the season will play out, but as someone who’s done a LOT of whining I can actually say that I’m satisfied that the front office has been brilliant. I think many of us were ignorant to the new CBA and unaware of little things like not being able to sign a +MLE guy in the buyout like we did Simmons if over the cap. I don’t know if this was foresight and/or if they knew PG was going to be this washed but they look like geniuses at the moment.

It’s almost as if someone had this planned all along and Simmons was intentionally playing crappy so he would be untradeable and get bought out to come here.

I don’t expect him to make free throws like he did last night nor suddenly unveil some expanded offensive bag. But he looked every bit of only 28 years old, terrifying defender, rebounder and elite playmaker that I believe is durable.

The fact that he can’t shoot isn’t that much of a liability when he impacts the rest of the game at such an elite level. He’s like having a 6’10” Russ with a high IQ who can defend all 5 spots.

The other pluses are many:

Can soak up usage so aging Harden and Kawhi can sustain their peak powers throughout the rest of the season and playoffs.

A master small ball 5—which Ty will always lean into longer than he should so we can all breathe a little easier when he does.

And most of all to me is a guy who can make life miserable for any stretch big or even a guy like Aaron Gordon or Naz Reid if they start rolling. Playing him alongside Zu is not ideal, but if necessary against, for example, Edey/JJJ or Joker/MPJ/AG that arrow will be in the quiver.

Bogi is already a net gain over Mann/KPJ in terms of court awareness and confidence and if his three ball comes back to the mean our offense could be come as scary as our defense.

The FO has put us in a position to have an even more magical run than the 2018/2019 squad which was the most fun I’ve had as a Clippers fan.

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