Comments on: Clippers Suffer Horrid 111-105 Loss to Nuggets in Game 5 https://213hoops.com/clippers-suffer-horrid-111-105-loss-to-nuggets-in-game-5/ L.A. Clippers News and Analysis Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:12:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.3.20 By: Peter Goul https://213hoops.com/clippers-suffer-horrid-111-105-loss-to-nuggets-in-game-5/#comment-4355 Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:12:17 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=2321#comment-4355 I understand the Trez vitriol as he has been abysmal in the bubble. But this comes down to Doc solely. He continuously puts Trez (and the team) in a position to fail. Trez plays hard for the most part but just does not have the skill set offensively or defensively to help this squad in the playoffs.

That being said, Sunday’s loss was a team effort. Yes, Doc poured gas on the fire with his poor substitutions, but the guys lacked focus and intensity….and missed a lot of great looks. 49 points in the second half would have given us a 1 point win. As terrible as the defense was, we can’t go 16 and 19 in the final 2 frames and expect to win.

Momentum is against us, but I am still hopeful we can pull it out on Tuesday. If not, I will take a deep breath and remind myself (as i have over the past 25 teas as a Clipper fan) that it is only basketball.

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By: Darius Miles Forever https://213hoops.com/clippers-suffer-horrid-111-105-loss-to-nuggets-in-game-5/#comment-4080 Sat, 12 Sep 2020 16:34:15 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=2321#comment-4080 This coach is on another level of stupidness.
Doc actually thinks playing Trez entire 2nd half can make him happy. This is why Doc has been doing the same thing during regular-season no matter how many times they blow a huge lead.

If he cared about winning, he wouldn’t stick with Trez that long.

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By: wwshep https://213hoops.com/clippers-suffer-horrid-111-105-loss-to-nuggets-in-game-5/#comment-4076 Sat, 12 Sep 2020 15:39:38 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=2321#comment-4076 He should

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By: mlslaw1 https://213hoops.com/clippers-suffer-horrid-111-105-loss-to-nuggets-in-game-5/#comment-4073 Sat, 12 Sep 2020 15:21:30 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=2321#comment-4073 Do you really think Doc made Trez happy last nite? Betting Trez feels terrible right about now.

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By: mlslaw1 https://213hoops.com/clippers-suffer-horrid-111-105-loss-to-nuggets-in-game-5/#comment-4072 Sat, 12 Sep 2020 15:11:15 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=2321#comment-4072 Noah: Joker would run circles around him as his body just won”t let him move anymore. Like a slow motion player. Worse than Gortat.

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By: ksihoo https://213hoops.com/clippers-suffer-horrid-111-105-loss-to-nuggets-in-game-5/#comment-4068 Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:55:55 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=2321#comment-4068 Questionable depth is what worries me much more than blowing the leads (Lucas actually gave a great explanation to the ‘make or miss’ game of runs we are expierencing in the NBA 2020). The only reliable sub at the moment is JaMychal and he is not the one to help much offensively or will be playing big minutes (although could play closer to 25mpg in my opinion). We can only hope that Lou will get out of the shooting slump sooner rather than later. He is still good in playmaking and we need that from the bench. Landry is not able to deliver much more in current role, I guess. The biggest disappointment is Trez of course. I am sure that the coaching staff is as aware of the negative effect that Trez brings to the game, and the only reason I can see justifying playing him is to make him better/more confident for the next rounds. He has played 11 games since March. He is better than he was against the Mavs (but still really bad), but maybe the coaching staff does not see us winning the chip without his A-game (and he can be better than what we have seen so far in the bubble). That’s a risky tactics though. He has lost us some games, let’s hope he will not lose us a series.

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By: osamu6238 https://213hoops.com/clippers-suffer-horrid-111-105-loss-to-nuggets-in-game-5/#comment-4065 Sat, 12 Sep 2020 11:45:36 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=2321#comment-4065 Like others, I still expect a win in Game 6, but I’ve been thinking about it for a while, and I’m just not sure this team should be favorites for a title, or even to make the finals. Their so called “depth” is getting consistently outplayed by it’s competition, dating back to the Dallas series. Key of which its two biggest bench players are playing like mediocre role players. I know the stats about Lou in this series, but he’s in year 15, he is who he is, and that’s a scorer. If he’s not doing that for you, he shouldn’t be in the game.

They’re lucky they have the depth to still field a decent team without those guys playing like the near stars they’re billed to be, but without them, I’m not sure their depth is much better than the team across the hallway (of the hotel).

Positive is, I think it’s become very clear who the best 5 man lineup is, and I do think those 5 can play with any other team remaining in the bubble, but I think just like a lot of other teams, it gets pretty shaky when you’re going to the bench, and that was supposed to be this team’s strength.

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By: Lucas Hann https://213hoops.com/clippers-suffer-horrid-111-105-loss-to-nuggets-in-game-5/#comment-4064 Sat, 12 Sep 2020 11:36:33 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=2321#comment-4064 So, I’m not really an advanced metrics buy, but the ratings ones are pretty simple and highly useful. It’s just “points created per 100 possessions when this player is on the floor” vs “points allowed per 100 possessions when this player was on the floor.” Where one player’s +/- isn’t comparable to another’s due to volume of minutes and pace, NETRTG adjusts for those.

Where NETRTG isn’t useful & can be misused is to compare guys on different teams and/or in different contexts, since the data captures the entirety of the lineup. So a guy on a bad team is always gonna have a worse NETRTG than a guy on a good team, because the bad team surrounds him with worse players, scores fewer points, allows more points, and loses more games.

Another example of a limitation: JaMychal Green is the only non-Trez LAC player to have a negative NETRTG in the playoffs at -3.7. Landry is third-worst at +1.7. But check this out: Green is -14.8 when playing with Trez and +16.8 when playing without him, and Landry is -29.5 when playing with Trez and +16.9 when playing without him. Because net rating captures the whole lineup, a guy doesn’t control his own net rating the way he controls his own, say, field goal %. So it’s always important to dig into different combinations, different situations, etc. Does a lineup have a horrible net rating, but you check and it’s a small sample size weighed down by a 6-minute stretch where the other team made 5/6 threes? Etc etc.

Regarding Lou, I think he’s curiously at a point where we know he’s a weak defender, he’s really struggling to score, but the most important thing he’s done for this team this season is be their best natural distributor, and given that Kawhi is the only other player who is consistently generating assists and setting up other guys, the Clippers would really miss Lou’s distribution and have a hard time replacing him if his minutes were reduced. That doesn’t mean his shooting and defense aren’t liabilities, just that I think you need to do whatever you can to find lineups where he can succeed. I’m not really sure that Trez is giving you anything positive right now that you would really miss if his minutes were cut.

Frankly I’m with you on not only Green over Trez but Noah over Trez. I don’t think Noah is gonna be great (or even good), but so much of where Trez hurts the Clippers is by being below-replacement-level. It’s the bad positioning, the defensive lunges with no chance of success that put him out of rebounding position, the laziness, the selfishness. Ryan Hollins would give the Clippers better minutes.

I think Green is actually above replacement-level–he’s perfectly capable of being average on the defensive end between his good rebounding, strength, and versatility/switchability that makes up for lack of size. Offensively, his shooting opens up a whole new world of driving lanes for guys. The Clippers need to do a better job getting Green 3PA when he’s playing C, though, as he’s just 2-2 from deep in 26 minutes with no Zu/no Trez.

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By: Darius Miles Forever https://213hoops.com/clippers-suffer-horrid-111-105-loss-to-nuggets-in-game-5/#comment-4063 Sat, 12 Sep 2020 11:29:24 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=2321#comment-4063 I agree with your “It’s much better for them to have been well tested in ealier rounds” part. Doc should realize he can’t play Trez, and Trez also needs to realize how horrible he is. Like you said, I believe they will bounce back.

Toughest part is that Doc refuses to learn things from mistakes. Pretty sure he will keep Trez no matter how awful he is.

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By: ksihoo https://213hoops.com/clippers-suffer-horrid-111-105-loss-to-nuggets-in-game-5/#comment-4062 Sat, 12 Sep 2020 11:16:35 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=2321#comment-4062 I do watch all the games and I am never relaxed watching then. I also see the issues that you see with Trez. But I also see the team’s progress especially on the defensive side. I see them in control of every series and I see them stepping up when really needed. And we haven’t even needed any heroics so fat. Kawhi is great but the best of him is yet to come. That is why is believe there is no reason to panic or throw blames on people who are much bigger bball minds than we are.

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