Comments on: Clippers Fall Short Against Spurs, 116-113 https://213hoops.com/clippers-fall-short-against-spurs-116-113/ L.A. Clippers News and Analysis Thu, 07 Jan 2021 00:43:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.3.19 By: Goons 1 https://213hoops.com/clippers-fall-short-against-spurs-116-113/#comment-10878 Thu, 07 Jan 2021 00:43:20 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=3110#comment-10878 The last thing on the matter, KNOW YOUR/THE PERSONNEL!! Mills is a SHOOTER! He’s not a drive & kick guy or someone who can drive & finish at the rim or create for others.. You make him become a playmaker by making him put the ball on the floor.. It’s just common sense!

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By: wwshep https://213hoops.com/clippers-fall-short-against-spurs-116-113/#comment-10875 Thu, 07 Jan 2021 00:25:33 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=3110#comment-10875 Any plausible explanation of why in the actual fuck they did this??? It’s not like some other team was outbidding them for 2Pat for chrissakes? Seems like gross incompetence and completely indefensible.

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By: wwshep https://213hoops.com/clippers-fall-short-against-spurs-116-113/#comment-10874 Thu, 07 Jan 2021 00:21:22 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=3110#comment-10874 We gotta trade Lou for Hill immediately.

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By: Goons 1 https://213hoops.com/clippers-fall-short-against-spurs-116-113/#comment-10872 Wed, 06 Jan 2021 22:13:18 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=3110#comment-10872 Here’s the 2nd half breakdown, I can do this all day!

a- Zu is switched off of Aldridge and Batum/Kawhi are defending the screen, Kawhi steps up and contests but Aldridge hits it anyway
— Assuming we’re talking about the same play, they’re running zone here

* Very next play though, they go back to man & he’s lost in the paint while LA is unguarded from 3, luckily Johnson shot & missed a 3

d- Zu crashes on a drive and Aldridge hits a three on a kick out + swing
— No need to crash down as the drive was covered well by Kawhi yet Zu did what he did leaving a WIDE OPEN LA for 3.. Just unnecessary shit!

* Next possession, slip screen involving Demar/LA & Kawhi.. Plays it ok but a better pass to LA would’ve netted an open 3.. He re gathers, allowing Zu to run out.. LA missed step back 3.. The effort here is night & day, which is all I ask! Good help backside by Lou also
* Another “screen” by LA with Mills & Nic defending.. Zu steps up then drops accordingly & closes out on LA on a long mid range.. That’s LAs shot but played great again from all involved.. LA can’t screen for shit though lol which helps
* Same action, Zu switches & Nic gets the strip from behind on LA

b- secondary transition, Gay drives and kicks to Vassel who is wide open because Kawhi is slow getting back on D. Zu is guarding his man down low.
— Kawhi never got back after falling

* same action as before.. Nic rejects the screen, Zu drops but Nic doesn’t pass Mills over & is late getting back to LA on a 3.. Nic at fault here
* Pick n roll miscommunication with Pat Pat & Zu leaving Gay with an open 10 footer off glass.. Pat Pat switched, Zu didn’t, he dropped when there was o need to since this occurred at the top of the key & he was already a foot away from the restricted area.. Not sure what the call was there but those lucky ass Gay bank shots were all killers!

c- Zu steps up on Mills to take away the 3, Mills hits Poeltl in the roll & the second unit can’t cover behind Zu because the back line defenders are Lou and Luke. Kick out for three
— It was played correctly, Spurs player I’ve never heard before, not sure if he’s a shooter, made a contested 3.. I’m ok with that cuz you stopped the 3 by Mills & the roller.. The lack of length from Lou on the closeout is what made the difference cuz he was there

b- Gay hits a three over Patterson sagging off, Zu uninvolved
— Lucky ass bank shot that rolled around.. Zu switched into Mills leaving Reggie on Jakob but Gay bailed us out, unfortunately luck was involved.. You want that shot if you’re the Clippers there + I wouldn’t call Pat sagging off, he was in position & contested

* Pick n roll with Gay, Zu dropped, Reggie called for foul on Gay on the pull up.. Don’t mind the coverage, nothing wrong besides the foul on the contest
* Next possession however, he missed it out on a rebound & Gay casually brought the ball up the floor & Zu just jogged behind making ZERO effort getting back on defense & allowing a layup by Gay after Pat was pinned down by Jakob! Reggie could’ve stepped up but doing so would’ve left Mills open.. Lou semi stepped up then got back to his man.. Some effort from Zu there, even to foul him at half court would’ve helped, he did nothing! Consequently T.O. Was called after the lead ballooned to 12.. Side note, Jakob is just good & makes simple but effective plays

c- Zu switches onto Mills and takes away the 3, but again Mills passes to Poeltl and the back line rotation for LAC is nonexistent so it’s a kick for an open 3
— They were in zone.. Lou over helped leaving his man, in his area, open for a 3

* Next possession pick n roll with Murray this time & Zu doesn’t even try AGAIN letting Murray walk into a free throw.. Luke & Lou both talking to Zu after the shot
* Next possession SAME SHIT! Luckily, Murray missed it.. Zu isn’t moving, getting a hand up, nothing

e- Mills in transition, Luke dies on the screen
— Luke “dies” on the Jakob screen but where’s Zu at again? Hanging out at the dotted line! Funny how yet another guy is telling him what to do, this time it was Bev going into the T.O. & This has nothing to do with him dropping, simply him not trying & not doing shit! + we can’t give him credit for the picks he sets but blame the guys getting screened when a great pick is set in them on the opposite end!

Let’s also start to put things into context here while trying to push the “it’s not Zu’s fault” narrative! He’s getting targeted every time down the floor! If this was trez, instead of Zu, EVERYONE would be going ape shit about how bad of a defender he is! Just cuz hes a “fan favorite” should we ignore the flaws.. The video is there for everyone to watch!2nd half
a- Zu is switched off of Aldridge and Batum/Kawhi are defending the screen, Kawhi steps up and contests but Aldridge hits it anyway
— Assuming we’re talking about the same play, they’re running zone here

* Very next play though, they go back to man & he’s lost in the paint while LA is unguarded from 3, luckily Johnson shot & missed a 3

d- Zu crashes on a drive and Aldridge hits a three on a kick out + swing
— No need to crash down as the drive was covered well by Kawhi yet Zu did what he did leaving a WIDE OPEN LA for 3.. Just unnecessary shit!

* Next possession, slip screen involving Demar/LA & Kawhi.. Plays it ok but a better pass to LA would’ve netted an open 3.. He re gathers, allowing Zu to run out.. LA missed step back 3.. The effort here is night & day, which is all I ask! Good help backside by Lou also
* Another “screen” by LA with Mills & Nic defending.. Zu steps up then drops accordingly & closes out on LA on a long mid range.. That’s LAs shot but played great again from all involved.. LA can’t screen for shit though lol which helps
* Same action, Zu switches & Nic gets the strip from behind on LA

b- secondary transition, Gay drives and kicks to Vassel who is wide open because Kawhi is slow getting back on D. Zu is guarding his man down low.
— Kawhi never got back after falling

* same action as before.. Nic rejects the screen, Zu drops but Nic doesn’t pass Mills over & is late getting back to LA on a 3.. Nic at fault here
* Pick n roll miscommunication with Pat Pat & Zu leaving Gay with an open 10 footer off glass.. Pat Pat switched, Zu didn’t, he dropped when there was o need to since this occurred at the top of the key & he was already a foot away from the restricted area.. Not sure what the call was there but those lucky ass Gay bank shots were all killers!

c- Zu steps up on Mills to take away the 3, Mills hits Poeltl in the roll & the second unit can’t cover behind Zu because the back line defenders are Lou and Luke. Kick out for three
— It was played correctly, Spurs player I’ve never heard before, not sure if he’s a shooter, made a contested 3.. I’m ok with that cuz you stopped the 3 by Mills & the roller.. The lack of length from Lou on the closeout is what made the difference cuz he was there

b- Gay hits a three over Patterson sagging off, Zu uninvolved
— Lucky ass bank shot that rolled around.. Zu switched into Mills leaving Reggie on Jakob but Gay bailed us out, unfortunately luck was involved.. You want that shot if you’re the Clippers there + I wouldn’t call Pat sagging off, he was in position & contested

* Pick n roll with Gay, Zu dropped, Reggie called for foul on Gay on the pull up.. Don’t mind the coverage, nothing wrong besides the foul on the contest
* Next possession however, he missed it out on a rebound & Gay casually brought the ball up the floor & Zu just jogged behind making ZERO effort getting back on defense & allowing a layup by Gay after Pat was pinned down by Jakob! Reggie could’ve stepped up but doing so would’ve left Mills open.. Lou semi stepped up then got back to his man.. Some effort from Zu there, even to foul him at half court would’ve helped, he did nothing! Consequently T.O. Was called after the lead ballooned to 12.. Side note, Jakob is just good & makes simple but effective plays

c- Zu switches onto Mills and takes away the 3, but again Mills passes to Poeltl and the back line rotation for LAC is nonexistent so it’s a kick for an open 3
— They were in zone.. Lou over helped leaving his man, in his area, open for a 3

* Next possession pick n roll with Murray this time & Zu doesn’t even try AGAIN letting Murray walk into a free throw.. Luke & Lou both talking to Zu after the shot
* Next possession SAME SHIT! Luckily, Murray missed it.. Zu isn’t moving, getting a hand up, nothing

e- Mills in transition, Luke dies on the screen
— Luke “dies” on the Jakob screen but where’s Zu at again? Hanging out at the dotted line! Funny how yet another guy is telling him what to do, this time it was Bev going into the T.O. & This has nothing to do with him dropping, simply him not trying & not doing shit! + we can’t give him credit for the picks he sets but blame the guys getting screened when a great pick is set in them on the opposite end!

Let’s also start to put things into context here while trying to push the “it’s not Zu’s fault” narrative! He’s getting targeted every time down the floor! If this was trez, instead of Zu, EVERYONE would be going ape shit about how bad of a defender he is! Just cuz hes a “fan favorite” should we ignore the flaws.. The video is there for everyone to watch!

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By: Goons 1 https://213hoops.com/clippers-fall-short-against-spurs-116-113/#comment-10868 Wed, 06 Jan 2021 20:35:13 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=3110#comment-10868 “And you know why we play 3 (sometimes four) bad defensive guards together on the second unit? Because we don’t have forward depth because we essentially gave Patrick Patterson two minimum salary roster spots and used two draft picks on stretch bigs who aren’t even viable third string options (Patterson plays emergency C over Fi and Oturu).

Fortunately, when we’re healthy all of these issues are gonna be hidden in garbage time. Unfortunately, we’re gonna have to deal with this on RS nights like this one where we’re shorthanded, at least until we get into trade season. Things will probably get shored up when Fi is moved and they fill the last 2 roster spots”

This!!

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By: Goons 1 https://213hoops.com/clippers-fall-short-against-spurs-116-113/#comment-10867 Wed, 06 Jan 2021 20:16:02 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=3110#comment-10867 I’ll touch on the 2nd half later BUT here’s the proper breakdown of how those plays broke down as well as a few others.. 90% of what the Spurs got was off pick n rolls & had nothing to do with the others.. He simply doesn’t know how to properly play in drop coverage whereas Jakob was great.. Zu should watch his film & model his game after him, who’s clearly smarter & better all around

b- Mills corner 3 in transition that Zu scrambled to close out on (not his man/fault)
— Batum closed not Zu

c- late 1st where he contains Mills on the dribble and Reggie gets lost as Mills steps back for 3
– if by contain, you mean Zu dropping deep into the paint while the screen took place 35+ ft from the floor, OK.. Reggie took a side step after getting around the pick which didn’t help.. Nonetheless did nothing!

c- drop coverage where Zu is playing way too deep (but the point of drop is that the guard chases over the screen to not give up the 3, and Mann died on the screen) and Mills pulls up
— The theme of his drops.. He’s at the free throw line while the screen is again taking place well above the 3 point line.. Mann gets over to “contest” the shot

* “With Patty Mills, like alot of guys you dinner need alot of room, Terrance Mann kinda leans on the screen right there, no help on the backside so there’s a clear lane for Patty Mills to square up” Jim Jackson

b- where Zu plays at the level of the screen and Mills can’t pull up, but Lou leaves his man wide open in the corner
— Does “good” but a simple show & drop was the way to go since it was a handoff & Reggie was there.. Lou dropped to play the cutter (Jakob) leaving open the corner 3

* Zu’s job there was to show so that Reggie gets over Zu.. Instead he switches, cuz he doesn’t know the difference between a pick n roll & a big to guard handoff which triggered what followed

*Next play, transition pick n roll he drops letting Gay get an easy 7 footer & this is with Reggie stopping the roll by Jakob

*Missed transition 3 by Mills.. Reggie shouldn’t have helped on the ball since Mann was opposite of him while leaving Mills

*Jakob playing in drop coverage PERFECTLY negating the Lou 3 while not letting him shoot nor pass to the roller (Zu)

a- contested pull-up transition 3 from Gay
— contested? From who? Transition 3 set up AGAIN by a pick 30+ ft from the rim by Jakob.. Zu as always in the paint (& continuing to DROP) with the other 3 Spurs outside the 3 pt line.. Mind you there were 2 Spurs to the left of GAY with Lou practically guarding both since Zu dropped & Luke was running back after being in the opposite corner

*Gave up a tech free throw for 3 sec violation for no reason
*Another handoff action where he stepped up & Bev went up for the block, causing Mills to pass..

Wish I could do actual breakdowns using the actual footage! It’s fuckin brutal

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By: Goons 1 https://213hoops.com/clippers-fall-short-against-spurs-116-113/#comment-10864 Wed, 06 Jan 2021 18:59:51 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=3110#comment-10864 The simplest fix is start Zu & play zone (primarily) with Serge at the 5.. That’s how you hide bad defenders, it’s not that difficult to do!

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By: Goons 1 https://213hoops.com/clippers-fall-short-against-spurs-116-113/#comment-10863 Wed, 06 Jan 2021 18:55:37 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=3110#comment-10863 1st things 1st, I always said they gotta switch up coverages because of the lineup BUT if you’re going have him drop he can at least play it properly!

Have him actually follow the screener as opposed to not even leaving the paint! Once the screen is set, show & then drop.. His problem when he was showing was that he was super aggressive which is why they went away from it.. A simple show & drop will result in the ball handler hesitating rather than just pulling up into a wide open 3! & it’s not just 3 I’ve been referring to all season, it’s everything.. The fact that he doesn’t leave the restricted are on his drops is letting guys walk into the paint & get whatever they want.. Ingles feasted on them the other day doing this exact thing.. He simply doesn’t know what he’s doing!

Does it makes matters worse cuz he’s playing with small guards, of course it is, which is my point! Go away from that coverage cuz he has no one there to cover for his mistakes!

Read your last paragraph, you’re proving my point! You can also read everything else I’ve said on the matter.. How getting Morris back would help, regardless, he fits in alot better with the starters.. He’s getting exploited out everytime! Do you know why Gobert is so damn good at it, cuz he actually steps up & uses his size to contest jumpers & trail back to his man

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By: TheGreatestShowman https://213hoops.com/clippers-fall-short-against-spurs-116-113/#comment-10862 Wed, 06 Jan 2021 18:03:46 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=3110#comment-10862 But we have a roster spot.

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By: Roaddogg For life https://213hoops.com/clippers-fall-short-against-spurs-116-113/#comment-10859 Wed, 06 Jan 2021 16:55:06 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=3110#comment-10859 Before I didn’t mind Pat Pat returning, but looking at the details of the contract, damn.

Perhaps the reason why we retained him and Reggie was to get PG to sign that contract. Mission accomplished.

Any way we can waive Patpat to create the extra roster spot?

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