Comments on: Clippers Embarrassed by Mavericks, Lose 144-126 https://213hoops.com/clippers-embarrassed-by-mavericks-lose-144-126/ L.A. Clippers News and Analysis Sun, 12 Nov 2023 08:02:27 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.3.20 By: khyber jones https://213hoops.com/clippers-embarrassed-by-mavericks-lose-144-126/#comment-50446 Sun, 12 Nov 2023 08:02:27 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=19468#comment-50446 Some good discussions on twitter about suggested lineup changes and the recognition that the issue is the 2nd unit combos are a dumpster fire. My suggested changes:

  • Play the original starting lineup: Russ-PG-Kawhi-Mann-Zu. Why? Rekindle the PG-Russ duo; keep Russ engaged; Russ is in better shape than Harden and is a better 2 way player; elevate Mann and give him the role that was promised and the one the team needs.
  • Second Unit v1: Harden + Norm + Coffey + Kobe-Brown + Moussa. Why? Harden needs to get in shape and dominate the ball. Clips also need to slow the game down w/the 2nd unit, reduce the # of opposition possessions to avoid what happened to them in the last min of Q1 v Dallas. Harden can do this, get into his bag, get to the line and keep the opponent off rhythm. Norm can also be effective in such a role at the #2. This lineup also has size and protection for Harden/Bones w/Coffey, Kobe and Moussa. All this unit has to do is guard the 3 pt line and go win loose balls/rebounds. It doesn’t need strong POA defense so long as Harden is doing his thing at the other end.
  • Second Unit v2 (staggered): Harden + Bones + Kawhi + (Kobe Brown or Mann) + Zu. Zu gets help on the weak side. Kawhi plays the #3 on D. Bones gets to cook a little

The big difference is that Coffey, Kobe and Moussa play real minutes and provide the youth, physicality, size and connector play we need. Norm’s role is diminished b/c he has been made redundant by Harden. PJ Tucker goes to the deep bench.

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By: WhyNotTyler https://213hoops.com/clippers-embarrassed-by-mavericks-lose-144-126/#comment-50442 Sun, 12 Nov 2023 01:55:57 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=19468#comment-50442 It would do wonders that Spo sits players who don’t try on defense. Being out of shape – I doubt Pat Riley will ever trade for James Harden in the first place. Spo also makes weak defenders better within a team defense. The Heat are currently up 11 vs a good Atlanta team – without Jimmy, without Herro. Might lose but I’m shocked they aren’t down 15.

They have a worse roster than last year and absolutely no lineup continuity yet still, they grind out their wins. We – we’re just talking ever since the trade and being out of shape or not trying is excused and tolerated.

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By: CrossRoads https://213hoops.com/clippers-embarrassed-by-mavericks-lose-144-126/#comment-50441 Sun, 12 Nov 2023 01:50:35 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=19468#comment-50441 And they got players not in first ballot of fame. I advocated for Nurse when he was still available. But Frank is solidly behind TL. When it rains, it floods. Hopeless.]]> Clips winless since the trade. And Lue needs a 10 game window.

6ers lossless since the trade. And they played more games than the Clips during that period, including win over Celtics.
Nurse : What window ?😂
And they got players not in first ballot of fame.

I advocated for Nurse when he was still available. But Frank is solidly behind TL. When it rains, it floods. Hopeless.

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By: Based Freestyle https://213hoops.com/clippers-embarrassed-by-mavericks-lose-144-126/#comment-50440 Sun, 12 Nov 2023 00:42:28 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=19468#comment-50440 That’s another thing: why do we keep letting mediocre-to-awful coaches pretend to be a GM? Dunleavy, Doc, Frank = all massive failures.

Coaching and GMing take different skills. The Pat Rileys who can do both at an elite level are a very rare exception, not the rule, and we’ve kept trying it anyway with guys who weren’t even good at coaching. It’s like the Clippers go out of their way to do everything as backwards as possible.

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By: mlslaw1 https://213hoops.com/clippers-embarrassed-by-mavericks-lose-144-126/#comment-50439 Sat, 11 Nov 2023 23:31:32 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=19468#comment-50439 Really good article. Work to be done–for everyone. Let’s start manana.

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By: Freeman Williams https://213hoops.com/clippers-embarrassed-by-mavericks-lose-144-126/#comment-50438 Sat, 11 Nov 2023 23:19:08 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=19468#comment-50438 Looks like Harden passing up shots is not on Ty.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/clippers-james-harden-has-a-catch-and-shoot-glitch-admits-it-feels-weird-after-years-of-self-creation/#:~:text=He%20goes%20to%20shoot%20off,Harden%20knows%20it's%20an%20issue.+

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By: KingAlfonse https://213hoops.com/clippers-embarrassed-by-mavericks-lose-144-126/#comment-50437 Sat, 11 Nov 2023 23:19:07 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=19468#comment-50437 Frank was a horrendous coach and he’s a worse GM, but somehow his GM tenure has long outlived his coaching career.

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By: KingAlfonse https://213hoops.com/clippers-embarrassed-by-mavericks-lose-144-126/#comment-50436 Sat, 11 Nov 2023 23:17:24 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=19468#comment-50436 I know this is a hypothetical that’s old and would never have been possible but we really just needed to plug Kawhi into the SGA Squad. That team would’ve been an instant contender built for the present and the future w/ draft capital flexibility. The FO had been so dogged in their pursuit of Kawhi they put good money after (not even bad, just exerted effort) and it was the original sin of the past half decade.

The stone cold reality is that this era has been over since COVID hit. No COVID and I think that team would’ve won a title or at least made it to the Finals. I also don’t think Kawhi and PG were ever a good fit w/ one another and Kawhi just wanted another superstar, fit be damned. What’s sad is Kawhi and SGA would’ve been an insane tandem.

Oh well. Currently this is a 6-10 seed (6 in the best of cases) and will wash out in the play-in/Round 1 and we’ll be left w/ a bunch of olds and no future.

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By: Based Freestyle https://213hoops.com/clippers-embarrassed-by-mavericks-lose-144-126/#comment-50435 Sat, 11 Nov 2023 21:44:17 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=19468#comment-50435 And the one WCF was all thanks to an assistant coach who had no ties to Doc and bolted to a division rival the moment the season was over. Everyone who stayed was involved in the chokejob the year before and has done nothing since.

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By: Jpo805 https://213hoops.com/clippers-embarrassed-by-mavericks-lose-144-126/#comment-50434 Sat, 11 Nov 2023 20:50:13 +0000 https://213hoops.com/?p=19468#comment-50434 As Lucas alluded to on the podcast, Ty needs to give the keys to Harden. The FO traded for him so he could run the show. Ty gave Westbrook the keys right away so why the delay with Harden.

I understand that the roster is imbalanced but Ty isn’t even trying to alleviate some of that imbalance with his lineup choices. We didn’t need to see 4 Guards + PJ to know that lineup would not work. Anyone with two brain cells would have known that.

Ty and the FO need to get on the same page and if they can’t, then the FO needs to get rid of Ty before it is too late. Move Westbrook to the bench, Start Harden at PG, return KL and PG to their natural positions and either start T Mann or Kobe Brown at the PF spot with Big Zu at Center. The offense is clunky and the defense sucks becuz everyone except Russ and Zu are playing out of position.

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